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AllanP · Joined: 17 Jan 2008 Posts: 488 Location: Central Scotland.

This current Scottish Government in their infinite wisdom is going ahead with a policy which will stop retailers offering cut price alchoholic items with a viewpoint that this will stop binge drinking and maybe perhaps reduce excessive drink crime related incidents.
Whew! What next!

Stop hillwalkers or climbers using our mountains for enjoyment?
Perhaps stopping all forms of social lifestyles whereby everyone will stay at home and become zombies to the policing attitude of what is, and what is not correct in their eyes?

This SNP is fast becoming a party of "do as I say", and not a party for "freedom" as they would like us all to believe they are.

Margaret Thatcher imposed many lifestyle changes on Scotland to see how we would react before trying much the same on England.

Now our fantastic freedom party are trying it again. Thank goodness we are not an independent nation, and I hope we never will be.
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BoB · Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 12:43 am Post subject:

Just a con to get more money out of us all

WACOlives · Joined: 17 Nov 2008 Posts: 897 Location: east sussex

They're trying to 'cash in' on what they THINK the majority want....they're just way out of touch !

Lord Blackadder · Joined: 05 Dec 2008 Posts: 2953

Where's the SMUG smilie???

I don't drink!!!

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Sidsnotwasere · Joined: 24 Jan 2008 Posts: 705

Allan,take a stroll into Glasgow Royal Infirmary any night of the week and i reckon you will soon change your opinion.

Something needs to be done and drastically because the amount of litter (human beings) lying around our city streets is abominable

Young folk cannot control themselves when they go out drinking,it is a pre-requisite for them to get blitzed.

Then they,in turn end up in hospital sooner or later adding million onto the N.H.S. debt,what is to blame,cheap drink.
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Lord Blackadder · Joined: 05 Dec 2008 Posts: 2953

My nephew is 16 ... and thinks it's great to go out drinking the Buckie with his mates. He knows more about alcohol than I do ... and that's a frightening thought!

This picture illustrates the very real damage drink can cause ...

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Mad Welshie · Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 3:00 pm Post subject:

This is one of the many adverts being put on over here against underage drinking

Link is here is above does not work

http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=US&v=6XFjKtj3jSM
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rickyross3359 · Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 6:11 pm Post subject:

I think Alan its yersel that's lost reality. Drink is a terrible problem and at least the SNP is attempting to tackle some of the issues surrounding it. Labour Ruled Scotland for 50 years and just stood back.
Regarding the fixed price idea it may help but I can't see it helping if any extra revenue raised goes straight into the English treasury.
I think a fund should be set up to be used for the education of alcohol and maybe to fund more rehab in Scotland.
That brings us back to more fiscal responsibility for Holyrood.
SNP being a minority government may put forward these ideas and try to introduce bills but wihtout the support of parliament as a whole it won't be able to acomplish what it wants.

Lord Blackadder · Joined: 05 Dec 2008 Posts: 2953

Unfortunately, I don't anything is going to work. There's no point locking the stable door after the horse has bolted .... and this one has raced off a long way away!

If teenagers want drink ... they'll get it! One way or another!

You ask me ... it all starts in the home ... and they should be taught to respect that alcohol is a worse and more insidious drug than just about any other!
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Sidsnotwasere · Joined: 24 Jan 2008 Posts: 705

It does start in the home,only problem is,we have told our son who's 19,on numerous occasions,"be careful of what you drink."

It doesn't get through to him though,we try our best,but as he's old enough to make up his own mind,then there's absolutely nothing we can do,despite warnings.
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Lord Blackadder · Joined: 05 Dec 2008 Posts: 2953

Maybe they need their mouths bricked up??

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Merak · Joined: 15 Jan 2008 Posts: 154

Whoever it was who cooked this one up needs a hard slap with a mouldy kipper. The whole idea of it is to address underage drinking and problem drinking. Making it more expensive to drink will not discourage those two groups. The only thing it is going to do is hit everybody else in the pocket whilst the underagers are still drinking and overagers still getting bladdered if they want to.

With underagers authorities ought to concentrate their efforts on where they are getting their booze. Somebody must be selling it to them or buying it for them. Surely it can't be that difficult to find out who/where? It's those folk who need hammered to stop the kids getting their mitts on the booze in the first place.

With bars and pubs, it is them that are allowing folk to get bladdered and again, that's where the efforts need concentrated. There's a bar and club we go to that are really strict. In the bar, if anybody looks like they've had enough, they're refused service and ask to leave. With the club, anybody who looks like they've already had a few can forget getting in. And it works well! You rarely see people blitzed in them. If all bars adopted strict policies it wouldn't take folk long to get the message. And as a way of 'encouraging' them to do it, I would group bars etc together in say 5 or 6 venues and give them one license to cover them all. And if one of them loses it, they've all lost it. Underagers and drunks in venues would be a thing of the past overnight.

That's better imo than simply making it more expensive because underagers will just buy drugs instead or go for the harder licquors straight away for max effect - so out with the cider and in with the vodka. It will be business as usual for the overagers most of whom are getting pissed at times when the booze isn't on offer anyway so won't notice any difference anyway.

And it's a roar that Buckfast won't be affected! That stuff is the scourge of many an area - so much so in fact that I remember an councillor, from Airdrie I think, pleading with buckfast abbey to stop making it because it had become such a problem. Yet, it won't be affected by these grand plans to tackle alcohol abuse? Couldnae make it up!

AllanP · Joined: 17 Jan 2008 Posts: 488 Location: Central Scotland.

Merak for my money makes the best points of us all.

It is almost impossible to stop our youngsters trying out some forms of alchohol as a ways and means of enjoyment and therefore elliminating their inhibitions in the furtherance of overcoming their plebescent ultra shyness tendencies.

For gawds sake! Have we all forgotten how much of that was so enjoyable in our early youthful days?

This yobbo culture let's face it, is really a very small minority, and most young folk do no harm, but they are all tainted by those who do so.
I cannot see that we will be subjected to a minimum alchohol price tarrif, but the SNP will soon drive us down over the border to buy cheaper booze.
There are many more other fundamental issues facing all of us than this in these day's of depression.
Very soon we will be scared to venture outdoors.
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Guest · Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 10:10 pm Post subject:

It is only Scotland..a wee booze cruize to Carlisle, Newcastle or whatever will solve the problem!

BoB · Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 11:35 pm Post subject:

By the time I put in fuel from here it would cost me more

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BoB =

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BoB · Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 12:21 am Post subject:

Donations please!

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Mad Welshie · Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 11:13 am Post subject:

Lord Blackadder · Joined: 05 Dec 2008 Posts: 2953

Which you start collecting next month?????

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Mad Welshie · Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 12:40 pm Post subject:

Lord Blackadder · Joined: 05 Dec 2008 Posts: 2953

How big a pension packet???

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Mad Welshie · Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 6:38 pm Post subject:

Good enough to be a millionaire

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Lord Blackadder · Joined: 05 Dec 2008 Posts: 2953

I see. You're a banker!!! Thought as much!!!

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AllanP · Joined: 17 Jan 2008 Posts: 488 Location: Central Scotland.

Lady of Kincavel · Joined: 22 Nov 2008 Posts: 187 Location: Alba

There was never a problem with under age drinkers when alcohol could only be purchased from a licensed grocer or a pub off sales.
Maybe the root of the problem lies with the easy accessability of alcohol now.
Supermarkets and shops sell the stuff at cut back prices and that's the root of the problem in my opinion.
Kids don't buy drinks like Malt whisky, they buy the cheapest drinks available and there are plenty of these.
Raising prices and age limits will have absolutely no effect, but making it difficult to buy will have a big effect on kids who drink.
IMHO anyway.
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Lord Blackadder · Joined: 05 Dec 2008 Posts: 2953

I had a conversation with my 22 year old nephew (who likes a drink or four) last Thursday about this and he agrees that alcohol should only be sold through pubs and off licences. Supermarkets and chippies and papershops and corner-shops ahould not be licensed to sell drink, because they do sell it as loss-leaders to get you into their stores!

He was just as hard about tobacco. He thinks only tobacco shops should sell tobacco and tobacco-related items.

But even though he hates smoking ... he thinks there should be designated smokers-only pubs!

People have a right to choose for themselves if they want to drink and smoke ... but it should only be in these designated outlets or at home!

Lotta sense for a young man!!!
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Lady of Kincavel · Joined: 22 Nov 2008 Posts: 187 Location: Alba

I know removing alcohol from supermarkets etc. and restricting the places where alcohol can be purchased will mean adults having to pay a bit more, but if it saves one child from a lifetime of alchol abuse and failing heath, surely it would be worth it. Is a dearer can or bottle worth more than that?????
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BoB · Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 7:56 pm Post subject: