AllanP
|
No smoking, no pubs.I know this has been aired before - but only today at lunchtime (how I hate that description meaning dinnertime) I decided to visit a well known public house in Grangemouth around 11.30.
I was the only customer there until one other person arrived.
This guy was a reformed smoker, who although agreeing with me that pubs are in decline due to the fact that smokers don't frequent that often due to the smoking ban, he was also truly upset that most of his old pals no longer went there for a blether.
He, as a one time smoker was disgusted that other arrangements couldn't have been made to accomodate them within the pub premises that would satisify everyone including the management and government.
The non-smoking ban is and always will be IMO be the death knell for most if not all working class social activities.
ALL NON-SMOKERS MUST SHOW THAT THEY ARE WILLING TO RE-GENERATE PUBS AND CLUBS BY SHOWING THEY ARE READY AND WILLING TO DO SO, RATHER THAN DISPLAYING A BETTER THAN THOU ATTITUDE.
No doubt there will be many who disagree - BUT PROVE IT BY SHOWING THEY WILL GO OUT IN DROVES.
|
rickyross3359
|
You are absolutely like I no longer go to the pub very much and really miss the banter over a couple of pints. I just can't stand having to leave and go outside for a fag. The social aspect has gone completely.
I accept it is better for staff without us propping up the bar smoking but some real thought should have gone into this law.
Is it too late for change? I hope Scotland will be the first place to overturn this and really come up with seperate blether/smoke rooms in the warm where we belong.
I think it should be revisited and lobbyied at holyrood. We had it introduced a year earlier and maybe we can be first to see sense.
|
Sidsnotwasere
|
I can see the point of view that it's a health hazard,more so from those who suffer the inhalation of cigs,i personally cannot stand the smell of them.
However,would it not be a better idea if clubs had the option of a smoking room such as Carrigans in Hamilton,there they have such a place and it has plenty ventilation to get rid of the smoke fairly quickly.
Prices wise,booze is way too dear,more so with the likes of Tesco,Asda,Morrisons all vying for customers with cheap booze on offer,if pubs and clubs want custom,bring their prices down to a decent level otherwise they will go bust.
|
Carol
|
nothing worse than smokers congregating outside pubs polluting public pathways etc Fine polluting themselves, but not others!!
I would advocate a total public ban, let them do it on their own properties or in their own back gardens!
|
Lord Blackadder
|
I am a non-smoker. I am also a non-drinker. But I am totally against this smoking in public places ban!!! 
It's hitting my shares in B.A.T. and JD Wetherspoon!!! 
|
Carol
|
B.A.T.?
so you would rather inhale other people's smoke? Passive smoking is also a killer 
|
Lord Blackadder
|
I don't inhale ANY smoke, old witch!!! Have you never heard of British American Tobacco???
|
Carol
|
old grouch
forgot you were a recluse
|
irritateddata
|
In my very humble opinion I think establishments should have had a choice, some would become non-smokers others for the puffers. When all the hullaballoo was going on before the ban, nearly all non-smokers could hardly wait for the day when they could go to the pubs again and enjoy their favourite tipple without the smoke, the smell and whatever else. Well, where are they? As for the bar staff complaining about smoke. Why did they apply for jobs in a smoking environment? Also I've been to parties or little get-togethers where the smokers have crammed themselves into the smallest room, usually the kitchen with half the non-smokers joining them soon after.
As a smoker (I've rolled my own for more years than I care to remember, I wish I didnt of course) I have absolutely no problem not lighting up in a non-smoking area. But I've come across people who become hysterical at the mere sight of a crumpled rizla amongst my coins.
|
BoB
|
Some pubs could have had a room sealed away from the rest of the bar for smokers with a high degree of ventilation pulling out the smoke so as not to annoy others, this would be fine by me and indeed a lot of others. But they chose not to allow it 
It is nice to go and have a meal without someone lighting up at the next table to you. Smokers (and I used to and don't mind people smoking, but not while I am eating) are generally selfish people and don't think of others when they light up. I always did consider others and I dare say some of you did as well, but I find most don't.
Smoking is and will be attacked more and more while the Government has a bee in their bonnet. Same as being slightly overweight is as well and drinking.
Those that go to a pub, drink and smoke and are slightly overweight, shame on you all
|
irritateddata
|
Since the ban many more people have stopped smoking and all the lost revenue that the government raked in from the taxes I've noticed drivers being harder hit as time goes by, probably to make up for the losses, in my cynical view. Some months ago I heard that a few insurance companies are actually now giving better deals to smokers knowing that they die younger (usually, not always though). I knew it wouldnt take long before someone or other would see an advantage. Smokers are already pariahs now. Drug addicts have more rights these days. How many smokers rob, mug and murder for a drag? Who'll be next, the drinkers. Including the moderate drinkers and occasional drinkers. Those shouting the loudest for tolerance are often the most intolerant individuals you're ever likely to meet. It borders on militancy.
I can't stand drunks but I wouldn't stop someone else from enjoying a drink just because the next person morphs into a monster after a few. Fat people next? Ginger haired? Short people?
I agree that smoking is a filthy habit. I'm glad you can't smoke in the cinema, or trains or planes. True, there are the s****hawk smokers who couldnt give a rat's squeak about others but these people generally couldnt care less about other things too.
Pubs being fined for providing warmth or shelter OUTSIDE for the smokers is all about control and authority and unquestioning obedience.
|
BoB
|
| Quote: | | Pubs being fined for providing warmth or shelter OUTSIDE for the smokers is all about control and authority and unquestionable obedience. |
I see no harm in that what so ever, but I have to say that I wouldn't bother going outside to smoke. I would just head off home.
|
Lord Blackadder
|
Well, Oddball McAskill is now targetting kids between 13 and 16 for having consensual sex by criminalising them!
Don't know about anyone else, but I do know it goes on having busted a couple of 14 yr olds in the Manor grounds a few years ago! What did I do? I took a condom out off my wallet, threw it at them and told them to be damn careful ... they were too young to have kids of their own! Then I suggested they wait till its dark next time ... when the dogs are allowed to roam. Never seen them since.
There's absolutely no need to criminalise them. Our hypocritical society does its best to sexualise them from an early age as it is. RD Laing and Erich Fromm were right about the way the West drives the kids insane!
Rant over!!!
|
AllanP
|
| rickyross3359 wrote: | I hope Scotland will be the first place to overturn this and really come up with seperate blether/smoke rooms in the warm where we belong.
I think it should be revisited and lobbyied at holyrood. We had it introduced a year earlier and maybe we can be first to see sense. |
Smoking and the Poll Tax were introduced firstly to we daft Scots to see what the UK general opinion was. The Poll Tax was an utter disgrace, but still goes on under another name today, - Council Tax, which we have all, if not welcomed, have grudgingly accepted.
Public smoking was cunningly introduced to Scotland by our Scottish Labour Government during the summer months when we were okay with smoking outside.
This after extensive consultation with pubs and clubs whereby it was suggested that said premises would provide a separate ventilated area whereby smokers would be accomodated.
Upwards of £30,000 was spent by many brewers to upgrade their premises for this, only to be renaged upon by the final decision as we know it today.
We were used as a trial, much like the dreaded Poll Tax was used to guage our reaction before England was subjected to it.
Sadly we cow-towed and accepted without too much complaint.
Non-smokers did not answer the expected call to fill up the shortfall, so now many of us drink and smoke at home and remember when pubs and clubs were fantastic places to meet to enjoy a night out.
I agree that eating places should of course be smoke free, but what is next I wonder.
My God, I trust and hope that garlic is banned next! It has my vote!!!!
|
Sindygirl
|
I find it crazy also, that persons driving a van etc for work, cant smoke in it. Maybe understandable if carrying paying passengers, but not if you own the vehicle and its your own transport. Why cant you smoke in it?
myself and OH are non smokers. btw.
I once made my sis go out to her car, in my drive to have her smoke. it was a cold night, but I took a glass of wine out to her. 
|
irritateddata
|
sindy, a local workman and his biz partner were both smokers but as his van was classed as commercial some plastic pc (those support officers thingies) reported him. It went to court and the builder was fined. The reasoning behind it that if he was carrying passengers, regardless of whether they were smokers or not, he was breaking the law by allowing smoking at his workplace, i.e.van.
|
Lord Blackadder
|
Let's face it ... smoking is anti-social AND a killer.
But so's drinking.
Our governments want to control us as much as the Church did back in medieval times ... and we'll deserve it if we let them!
We need to get together ... unite ... and demand Anarchy!!!
Viva La Revolución ...
|
Sidsnotwasere
|
I remember J posted a piccy on another forum and it looked as if there was smoke coming out of her finger,it was one of the funniest pics i've ever seen.
|
Carol
|
ugh disgusting habit, my other half is a smoker and it's like kissing an ashtray.
|
Sidsnotwasere
|
I told my wife if she had smoked ciggies before we married then i wudny have married her....so she started smoking. 
|
Carol
|
 my other half had apparently stopped smoking when we met
|
Lord Blackadder
|
Not surprised there, Carol! He's probably not drawn another breath since!!!
|
Sidsnotwasere
|
| Lord Blackadder wrote: | | Not surprised there, Carol! He's probably not drawn another breath since!!! |
|
Carol
|
fcuk BA if he keels over I'll blame you  He's got a dodgy ticker as it is!
and no he's not next in line for the rhubarb patch
|
Lord Blackadder
|
Not if he keels over in public anyway .............
|
Carol
|
are you trying to say he isn't safe in my hands
|
Lord Blackadder
|
I'm not trying to say that at all!
|
AllanP
|
| Sindygirl wrote: |
I once made my sis go out to her car, in my drive to have her smoke. it was a cold night, but I took a glass of wine out to her. |
What a kind and understanding sister you are. Bet you've never seen her again.
|
Lord Blackadder
|
| Quote: | | I once made my sis go out to her car, in my drive to have her smoke |
Bet she thought you were a real bitch!!!
|
AllanP
|
| Carol wrote: | | ugh disgusting habit, my other half is a smoker and it's like kissing an ashtray. |
There's a tip if ever I've heard one.
There is nothing like true love and understanding between loving partners to keep a great relationship going.
|
Carol
|
Sparks flying
I'm not so hot on the understanding apparently he was in between smoking when we met and had stopped for health problems, which funnily enough are still there
|
Lord Blackadder
|
| Quote: | | There is nothing like true love and understanding between loving partners to keep a great relationship going. |
If you ask me ... faithfulness ... is for pets!!!
|
Carol
|
and have you one?
|
Carol
|
ok to all smokers
if it was a matter of life or death would you stop smoking?
|
Sidsnotwasere
|
I think most of them wud carry on smoking tbh,it is a death wish for many of them,they just cannot give up their drug habit.
|
irritateddata
|
| Sidsnotwasere wrote: | | I remember J posted a piccy on another forum and it looked as if there was smoke coming out of her finger,it was one of the funniest pics i've ever seen. |
trick of the light that was and only you could have spotted it!
Whatever happened to that pic anyway, I dont have it anymore.
|
Sidsnotwasere
|
It may still be in the vaults of Fab Freinds J. (I still dont know how i managed tae join up on that site though,all those women and just me and some other bloke.
I still have Gill Borg's email addy,so if you want me tae ask for it,just let me know.
Didnt u post it on the old FTS?
|
irritateddata
|
dont think I posted it on old fts but then I can't really remember Mr T. It's not important, I was just curious to know if I was still floating around the ether with my smoking finger for all eternity..
|
AllanP
|
| Carol wrote: | ok to all smokers
if it was a matter of life or death would you stop smoking? |
Would stopping smoking guarantee life rather than death? We all die sometime.
Would you give up chocolate?
|
Lord Blackadder
|
Carol??? Give up chocolate???? 
|
Carol
|
Death by Chocolate sounds good!!!
note the slogan on a pack of cigarettes, SMOKING KILLS
hey I'm changing my lifestyle for health reasons, i'm not wanting to keel over before my time
Also Allan, my dad suffered a stroke around the same time he was diagnosed with lung cancer, he was a heavy smoker, his death was long and drawn out and heartwrenching near the latter end, his last days were horrendous.
My OH was told to stop smoking, he knows his next heart attack will be fatal, it's not a nice feeling knowing knowing moreso due to the smoking risks, he could keel over sooner rather than later
|
Lord Blackadder
|
| Quote: | | he knows his next heart attack will be fatal |
And yet you still married him, didn't you??? How big was his bank account before you became his wife-soon-to-be-widow???
|
Sidsnotwasere
|
My nickname at school was Tony Cadbury.
Anyone remember the bar of Cadburys Tray. Yummyyyyyyyy.
|
Lord Blackadder
|
Was that YOU????
|
Carol
|
mmmmmmmmmm tasty Sid
BA he's not ancient with one foot in the grave and rich!
|
Lady of Kincavel
|
I'm a smoker and I enjoy my Ciggies, however, I do try to be polite about it and not inflict my smoke on other people.
I was quite taken aback last year though when a visiting Anerican friend brought her friend along to dinner one evening.
Just in case anyone had a bad chest or something, I aked if anyone objected to me lighting up (in my own lounge) To my surprise, my friend's friend said 'yes, I object, I dont like it' so I had to go out to the patio to have my ciggie.
Now I was, I thought, being polite and considerate in case anyone had a genuine illness like asthma, but I was gobsmacked by the rude reply.
Carol,
I doubt if kissing someone who smokes is any worse than kissing stale boozy breath.
|
Lord Blackadder
|
In your own shed, YOU make the rules, old girl!
The answer is simple. Don't allow people like that into your hovel!!!
I'm a non-smoker ... but I don't care if others smoke ... except in a lift! That, I won't put up with. Otherwise ... puff away.
|
Carol
|
he's teetotal Lady K, so if it wasn't for the smoking his breath would be fresh. Thankfully he smokes outside and not in the house. No visitors are allowed to smoke in the house, but they were his 'rules' before my time, which I'm quite happy with.
|
AllanP
|
| Lady of Kincavel wrote: | I'm a smoker and I enjoy my Ciggies, however, I do try to be polite about it and not inflict my smoke on other people.
I was quite taken aback last year though when a visiting Anerican friend brought her friend along to dinner one evening.
Just in case anyone had a bad chest or something, I aked if anyone objected to me lighting up (in my own lounge) To my surprise, my friend's friend said 'yes, I object, I dont like it, so I had to go out to the patio to have my ciggie.
Now I was, I thought, being polite and considerate in case anyone had a genuine illness like asthma, but I was gobsmacked by the rude reply.
Carol,
I doubt if kissing someone who smokes is any worse than kissing stale boozy breath. |
I can understand why many of us hate American baccy smells and so duly ban them from their home, or indeed lipsmacking mouths as Carol suggests.
But I do want everyone in Scotland and the World to want to ban folk breathing out foul garlic smells first, long before folk breathing out fag smells.
Garlic smells are foul; fag smoke is equally foul, within reason.
Lady of K, you seem to be an understanding person. Sod those who don't realise this.
If you cannot smoke in your own home without upsetting these plebs, then why not suggest you go to their homes and do so.
Those sort of friends you could well do without.
I expect that many posters will say that garlic is good for you; well that may be so. But it is not good for people downwind. 
|
Carol
|
touchy touchy Allan
If anything it's courteous not to smoke in the home when there's others about, why should they be affected by the smoke?
I've a young child I wouldn't want him to be affected by passive smoking. My older children aren't allowed to smoke in the house when they're visiting. They and others respect our wishes and understand the reasons why.
more chance of there being someone consistently smoking than eating garlic.
Lady K so do you smoke in front of the granddchildren in your own home?
|
AllanP
|
| Carol wrote: | touchy touchy Allan
If anything it's courteous not to smoke in the home when there's others about, why should they be affected by the smoke?
I've a young child I wouldn't want him to be affected by passive smoking. My older children aren't allowed to smoke in the house when they're visiting. They and others respect our wishes and understand the reasons why.
more chance of there being someone consistently smoking than eating garlic.
Lady K so do you smoke in front of the granddchildren in your own home? |
Sorry if I've touched a nerve Carol, but I am entitled to my own opinion.
Of course I respect other people who visit my home if they object to me smoking...I ask them to go outside while I do so.
As to you asking Lady K if she smokes in front of her Grandchildren?
Well I suppose that is up to her and perhaps the age of her Grandchildren don't you think?
As to the case of garlic, I suggest that not so long ago asbestos was considered harmless and a benefit to all users, but now we know it was a slow killer.
The Romans introduced garlic to our shores some 2,000 years ago and we all know what happened to them eventually, they were ejected, although perhaps this was not solely the main reason.
Perhaps we should introduce garlic eaters an outside ventilated area much like smoking areas where they can breathe out their noxious fumes without disturbing or sickening people like myself.
PS. In case you are not aware of the point I'm trying to make.
I HATE GARLIC!!!
|
rickyross3359
|
I had some stupid witch of a council warden running after me today for smoking in a bus shelter that was open on all sides, was only covered by a canopy. I could run faster though, she must have been about 60 and as fat as an elephant. Wish I had, had Blackadders elephant gun!
Council jobsworth the old bat.
|
Lord Blackadder
|
Carol ... you might not want him too ... but maybe your youngest has alread has has a sly puff or two without your knowledge. That's how it starts you know ... secret smoking!
A ban is just going to drive it all underground and it will become like the drug trade!
|
Sidsnotwasere
|
I always ask people who want to smoke in our house if they would care to smoke outside,and if it's raining,i do the decent thing and give them all an umbrella.
|
Mad Welshie
|
I have a sign on my door saying No Smoking allowed in dutch. It were cancer that killed my OH. He used to be a smoker but never smoked around our kids. I respect him, he was a great guy 
|
Sidsnotwasere
|
If God meant us tae smoke,he wudda shoved a chimney on oor heids.
|
Lord Blackadder
|
| Quote: | | No Smoking allowed in dutch |
How about smoking in French? Or German??
Confucius he say: Man with chimney on head ... better wear black soot!!!
|
Mad Welshie
|
|
AllanP
|
| Sidsnotwasere wrote: | | If God meant us tae smoke,he wudda shoved a chimney on oor heids. |
God is not an issue here as he dosen't exist except only in our most deepest fears of monsters and ghosts or devils in the woods in ancient times.
Our sane modern understandings of god is something unreal and very often questioned, and although it's accepted by the many I do not understand why.
Apart from this revelation of mine, I have a policy regarding smokers.
If I see a hitchiker and I stop, I ask them if they smoke.
If they say yes, I give them a lift, if they don't, then I leave them at the roadside waiting for a non-smoker.
Life is hard, isn't it.
|
Lord Blackadder
|
Allan ... you should pick up hitch-hikers all the time regardless. Then you drive these shiftless tinkies to a quiet spot and bash their brains in, then bury them. You'll be doing Scotland a favour by keeping it tidy!
|
AllanP
|
| Lord Blackadder wrote: | | Quote: | | No Smoking allowed in dutch |
How about smoking in French? Or German??
Confucius he say: Man with chimney on head ... better wear black soot!!!
|
French? Non Fumiere. German? Nicht Rauchen, or Rauchen verboten.
I think though that if smoking is allowed, there are no signs saying it's okay.
Just puff away.
Confucious he say; Ah So!
|
Sidsnotwasere
|
Allan..."God is not an issue here as he dosen't exist except only in our most deepest fears of monsters and ghosts or devils in the woods in ancient times.
Our sane modern understandings of god is something unreal and very often questioned, and although it's accepted by the many I do not understand why."
Is it by chance happening that we have the correct temperature in which to survive?
Chance happening that we have hands in which we can eat,(it would be rather odd if we never had hands,arms,legs,a body even.)
For you to say God does not exist is not up for debate,more folk believe in God than do not,you are in a minority,please,no quotes from Richard Dawkins,i rate him funnier than Jim Davidson.
|
AllanP
|
| Sidsnotwasere wrote: | Allan..."God is not an issue here as he dosen't exist except only in our most deepest fears of monsters and ghosts or devils in the woods in ancient times.
Our sane modern understandings of god is something unreal and very often questioned, and although it's accepted by the many I do not understand why."
Is it by chance happening that we have the correct temperature in which to survive?
Chance happening that we have hands in which we can eat,(it would be rather odd if we never had hands,arms,legs,a body even.)
For you to say God does not exist is not up for debate,more folk believe in God than do not,you are in a minority,please,no quotes from Richard Dawkins,i rate him funnier than Jim Davidson. |
God is always up for debate and will always be so.
How can you say that non-believers are a minority in the world today?
I do not quote anyone other than what I think is right for common sense.
Since the beginning of time as we know it, many cultures have worshipped "gods" that we accept now as misplaced.
Rivers, trees, seas, wind, storms, the Sun and the Moon amongst others have been worshipped in the past. Egypt and Rome worshipped many others that we now don't recognise today.
Jesus, Mohammed, Bhudda, Shinto and others are recognised in modern cultures as genuine to their own populations who believe.
Too much bloodshed has been spilt down through the ages and indeed modern days for the furtherance of any particular religion above another.
Why should we as thinking human beings not question those beliefs now in modern times.
If God or God's are after all a caring entity, why do they not care about us?
The simple answer is that they don't care about us, and why should they, if they are God's. It shouldn't matter to them.
|
Guest
|
God (in whatever form) has more to do looking after the Universe, than worry about us lot! He gave us a free hand and we ballsed it up!
All prayers are answered....sometimes the answer is "no!"
|
Sidsnotwasere
|
| AllanP wrote: | | Sidsnotwasere wrote: | Allan..."God is not an issue here as he dosen't exist except only in our most deepest fears of monsters and ghosts or devils in the woods in ancient times.
Our sane modern understandings of god is something unreal and very often questioned, and although it's accepted by the many I do not understand why."
Is it by chance happening that we have the correct temperature in which to survive?
Chance happening that we have hands in which we can eat,(it would be rather odd if we never had hands,arms,legs,a body even.)
For you to say God does not exist is not up for debate,more folk believe in God than do not,you are in a minority,please,no quotes from Richard Dawkins,i rate him funnier than Jim Davidson. |
God is always up for debate and will always be so.
How can you say that non-believers are a minority in the world today?
I do not quote anyone other than what I think is right for common sense.
Since the beginning of time as we know it, many cultures have worshipped "gods" that we accept now as misplaced.
Rivers, trees, seas, wind, storms, the Sun and the Moon amongst others have been worshipped in the past. Egypt and Rome worshipped many others that we now don't recognise today.
Jesus, Mohammed, Bhudda, Shinto and others are recognised in modern cultures as genuine to their own populations who believe.
Too much bloodshed has been spilt down through the ages and indeed modern days for the furtherance of any particular religion above another.
Why should we as thinking human beings not question those beliefs now in modern times.
If God or God's are after all a caring entity, why do they not care about us?
The simple answer is that they don't care about us, and why should they, if they are God's. It shouldn't matter to them. |
So do you not believe in Jesus?
Btw,i know that too much blood has been spilt in the name of religion,but Woody hit the nail on the head with his answer.
|
Lord Blackadder
|
Whatever "God" is (assuming it "exists" as we know the word) ... it will be an "entity" far beyond our understanding to know or recognise it for what it is. The sex of said "entity" will also be something beyond our understanding.
The God or Gods the people of this planet have so far created are all human or humanoid ... because they are all humans writ large. And they were created by our ancestors to help us understand our place in the natural world first ... and then as a way to control us by a only a few hands.
Anyone who believes in Christianity or Islam or Judaism of any of the multitude of faith/religions that abound ... are deluding themselves in the superstition of supernatural forces.
That's not to say there isn't something beyound our sense of reality that exists beside, within, and all around us that we confuse with supernaturalism.
As Shakespeare observes through Hamlet's lips ...
"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
Than are dreamt of in your philosophy ..."
|
Sidsnotwasere
|
An Atheist
An atheist was taking a walk through the woods.
"What majestic trees!
What powerful rivers!
What beautiful animals!" he said to himself.
As he continued walking alongside the river he heard a rustling in the bushes. Turning to look, he saw a 7 foot grizzly charging towards him.
He ran as fast as he could up the path. Looking over his shoulder he saw that the bear was closing in on him. His heart was pumping frantically and he tried to run even faster. He tripped and fell on the ground. He rolled over to pick himself up but saw the bear raising his paw to take a swipe at him.
At that instant the atheist cried out: "Oh my God!..."
Time stopped.
The bear froze.
The forest was silent.
It was then that bright light shone upon the man and a voice came out of the sky saying: "You deny my existence for all of these years, teach others I don't exist and even credit creation to a cosmic accident. Do you expect me to help you out of this predicament? Am I to count you as a believer?"
The atheist looked directly into the light, "It would be hypocritical of me to suddenly ask you to treat me as a Christian now, but perhaps, could you make the BEAR a Christian?"
Very well," said the voice.
The light went out.
And the sounds of the forest resumed.
And then the bear lowered his paw, bowed his head and spoke:
"Lord, bless this food which I am about to receive and for which I am truly thankful."
|
Lord Blackadder
|
|
rickyross3359
|
I would hate to be a hitch hiker near Lord Blackadder's Manor - em how many have you buried by now. That would make a great episode for Taggart scriptwriters to get their teeth into.
Back to topic I want to be able to smoke with a beer in a pub okay!
|
Sindygirl
|
| AllanP wrote: | | Sindygirl wrote: |
I once made my sis go out to her car, in my drive to have her smoke. it was a cold night, but I took a glass of wine out to her. |
What a kind and understanding sister you are. Bet you've never seen her again. |
not at all, she still laughs about it!
I have always been a non smoker, I feel i am lucky that I didnt take to it a a teenager. I understand the addiction side of it, ,now in her early 40's she has had many failed attempts at stopping. I know its a real adiction and not a whim for many people.
Re other peoples house, my ma inlaw, smokes, her house stinks, as she hardly ever goes out. I cringe at the thought of visiting , and never wear good clothes, as the the smell gets all over us afterwards.
Even if she gives us presents, the smell is all over them too, and carrier bags she uses.
Its her choice, despite heart attacks she wont stop.
|
Lord Blackadder
|
Ricky ... you goy the wrong guy, you know.
Carol is the resident murderess on this (and many another) forum. You need to read a bit more to find out. As for moi ... I am a gentle soul who everyone knows, wouldn't hurt a fly and is the very soul of discretion!
|
Carol
|
you need to get your teeth into my rhubarb patch Ricky, according to BA that's where all my ex hubbies are buried, died from mushroom poisoning!
|
Mad Welshie
|
BA Would (not) hurt a fly eh?
I think BA has been on the magic mushrooms again. Carol is the sweetest and gentlest of them all
|
BoB
|
All you smokers should be pushed off this tiny Island called Britian, this would lower our polution problems 
|
Lord Blackadder
|
| Quote: | | Carol is the sweetest and gentlest of them all |
You really do NOT know her at all, do you Welshie!?? I hope you don't come to regret that when Carol gets you on the back of the head with a shovel!!!
|
Mad Welshie
|
I live to far away to find that one out BA
|
BoB
|
| Mad Welshie wrote: | | I live to far away to find that one out BA |
|
Lord Blackadder
|
| Quote: | | I live to far away to find that one out BA |
The word you needed was "too" not "to" as in "far away"! And not far enough I'll wager!!!
|
BoB
|
| Lord Blackadder wrote: | | Quote: | | I live to far away to find that one out BA |
The word you needed was "too" not "to" as in "far away"! And not far enough I'll wager!!! |
|
AllanP
|
| BoB wrote: | | Lord Blackadder wrote: | | Quote: | | I live to far away to find that one out BA |
The word you needed was "too" not "to" as in "far away"! And not far enough I'll wager!!! |
|
Live and let live Bob! We all must live in an imperfect society, so why can't we all get along with each other's quirks?
|
Mad Welshie
|
I cannot help it if my English has gone rusty these days!
Thank you for the wee English lesson my lord.
|
Lord Blackadder
|
Ah cannae staun' thame thit cannae yaise wir ain lingo proaper-like oan ra innernet!!!
|
Mad Welshie
|
Be quiet
|
BoB
|
| Lord Blackadder wrote: | | Ah cannae staun' thame thit cannae yaise wir ain lingo proaper-like oan ra innernet!!! |
Quite richt, I canna staun it mysel 
|
BoB
|
Shurrup Welshie
|
Mad Welshie
|
No way !!
|
Lord Blackadder
|
CAROL!!! Bring yer spade! The back of Welshie's heid is crying out for your specific attention!
Then you can do BoB ... just for the sheer hell of it!!!
|
Mad Welshie
|
|
Carol
|
I can do Bob!!!
|
Merak
|
Re: No smoking, no pubs. | AllanP wrote: |
ALL NON-SMOKERS MUST SHOW THAT THEY ARE WILLING TO RE-GENERATE PUBS AND CLUBS BY SHOWING THEY ARE READY AND WILLING TO DO SO, RATHER THAN DISPLAYING A BETTER THAN THOU ATTITUDE.
No doubt there will be many who disagree - BUT PROVE IT BY SHOWING THEY WILL GO OUT IN DROVES. |
I remember that being the line back before the ban kicked in that smokers would be replaced by non-smokers. I thought it bollocks at the time and it turned out that it was bollocks.
26 pubs closed in my local area alone across the first year of the smoking ban, and since the ban kicked in our leisure sector ratings people at work having been submitting appeal after appeal after appeal on behalf of bars and pubs against the local Valuation offices to have their business rates lowered because of the impact the smoking ban has had on takings. And the gov is trying to have us believe that the ban didn't have a significant impact?
|
AllanP
|
| BoB wrote: | All you smokers should be pushed off this tiny Island called Britian, this would lower our polution problems
|
Then higher earners and Lords included must be therefore taxed more to make up the shortfall in revenue. Bob and that ilk especially.
Sounds fair to me.
|
Guest
|
Especially BoB! (I think that's a Nomme de Plume!)
|
Lord Blackadder
|
I would like to nominate ONE Lord who should be exempt!
|
Guest
|
And who might that be?
|
Lord Blackadder
|
Guess!!!
|
Lady of Kincavel
|
Carol, I never smoke in front of children, mine or anyone else's.
I always ask visitors if they mind, because I don't know if they have chest problems, and had that lady said she had, I would have been quite OK with that and happy to go outside. It was her reply that shook me.
|
AllanP
|
| BoB wrote: | All you smokers should be pushed off this tiny Island called Britian, this would lower our polution problems
|
Hitler tried something similar, and we all know what happened to him and his cronies.
|
Lord Blackadder
|
My parents always thought there was something a little off with the Von Schwarzeviper branch of the family. Great-uncle Adolf was sectioned twice that they know of!!!
|
catpurr
|
I smoke and this debate could last forever with it never being resolved, I started when it was *cool* to smoke, had I known then what I know now I would never have started, BUT it sure pisses me off when smokers are treated like Leper's!!! the Government make billions off the back of us, AND they sanction the crap they put in cigarettes to keep them addictive, and every year at the budget I listen to the same lies Fag prices are going up, and WHY????? my health apparently, what a crock of S*** they go up to fund what I think is a very very greedy Government, if my welfare or any other smokers welfare was in truth of any interest to them whatsoever, ciggarettes would come OFF the shelves completely, yeah it would be harsh, I personally would pass out at the thought BUT I cant remember a case of anyone dying through NOT smoking, so I would get over it...... eventually......lol only then would I believe the Government gave a rats ass about any of us smoking
|
eloise
|
I am an ex smoker, I would NEVER preach to anyone about the wrongs and rights, as when I did smoke I did enjoy it immensely,I know I will never be a Non smoker, but always an EX smoker, I nbever smoked inside my own house (because of the children) and certainly never inside friends or families houses,my message is if you enjoy it, then you carry on enjoying it.I have a very goor reason for not smoking and hopefully that will continue, but I say never say never........
|
|
|
