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| AllanP |
No more 2 for 1.This current Scottish Government in their infinite wisdom is going ahead with a policy which will stop retailers offering cut price alchoholic items with a viewpoint that this will stop binge drinking and maybe perhaps reduce excessive drink crime related incidents.Whew! What next! Stop hillwalkers or climbers using our mountains for enjoyment? Perhaps stopping all forms of social lifestyles whereby everyone will stay at home and become zombies to the policing attitude of what is, and what is not correct in their eyes? This SNP is fast becoming a party of "do as I say", and not a party for "freedom" as they would like us all to believe they are. Margaret Thatcher imposed many lifestyle changes on Scotland to see how we would react before trying much the same on England. Now our fantastic freedom party are trying it again. Thank goodness we are not an independent nation, and I hope we never will be. |
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| BoB |
Just a con to get more money out of us all  
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| WACOlives |
They're trying to 'cash in' on what they THINK the majority want....they're just way out of touch ! | ||||||
| Lord Blackadder |
Where's the SMUG smilie???
I don't drink!!! 
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| Sidsnotwasere |
Allan,take a stroll into Glasgow Royal Infirmary any night of the week and i reckon you will soon change your opinion.
Something needs to be done and drastically because the amount of litter (human beings) lying around our city streets is abominable Young folk cannot control themselves when they go out drinking,it is a pre-requisite for them to get blitzed. Then they,in turn end up in hospital sooner or later adding million onto the N.H.S. debt,what is to blame,cheap drink. |
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| Lord Blackadder |
My nephew is 16 ... and thinks it's great to go out drinking the Buckie with his mates. He knows more about alcohol than I do ... and that's a frightening thought!
This picture illustrates the very real damage drink can cause ... 
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| Mad Welshie |
This is one of the many adverts being put on over here against underage drinking
Link is here is above does not work http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=US&v=6XFjKtj3jSM |
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| rickyross3359 |
I think Alan its yersel that's lost reality. Drink is a terrible problem and at least the SNP is attempting to tackle some of the issues surrounding it. Labour Ruled Scotland for 50 years and just stood back.
Regarding the fixed price idea it may help but I can't see it helping if any extra revenue raised goes straight into the English treasury. I think a fund should be set up to be used for the education of alcohol and maybe to fund more rehab in Scotland. That brings us back to more fiscal responsibility for Holyrood. SNP being a minority government may put forward these ideas and try to introduce bills but wihtout the support of parliament as a whole it won't be able to acomplish what it wants. |
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| Lord Blackadder |
Unfortunately, I don't anything is going to work. There's no point locking the stable door after the horse has bolted .... and this one has raced off a long way away!
If teenagers want drink ... they'll get it! One way or another! You ask me ... it all starts in the home ... and they should be taught to respect that alcohol is a worse and more insidious drug than just about any other! |
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| Sidsnotwasere |
It does start in the home,only problem is,we have told our son who's 19,on numerous occasions,"be careful of what you drink."
It doesn't get through to him though,we try our best,but as he's old enough to make up his own mind,then there's absolutely nothing we can do,despite warnings. |
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| Lord Blackadder |
Maybe they need their mouths bricked up??
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| Merak |
Whoever it was who cooked this one up needs a hard slap with a mouldy kipper. The whole idea of it is to address underage drinking and problem drinking. Making it more expensive to drink will not discourage those two groups. The only thing it is going to do is hit everybody else in the pocket whilst the underagers are still drinking and overagers still getting bladdered if they want to.
With underagers authorities ought to concentrate their efforts on where they are getting their booze. Somebody must be selling it to them or buying it for them. Surely it can't be that difficult to find out who/where? It's those folk who need hammered to stop the kids getting their mitts on the booze in the first place. With bars and pubs, it is them that are allowing folk to get bladdered and again, that's where the efforts need concentrated. There's a bar and club we go to that are really strict. In the bar, if anybody looks like they've had enough, they're refused service and ask to leave. With the club, anybody who looks like they've already had a few can forget getting in. And it works well! You rarely see people blitzed in them. If all bars adopted strict policies it wouldn't take folk long to get the message. And as a way of 'encouraging' them to do it, I would group bars etc together in say 5 or 6 venues and give them one license to cover them all. And if one of them loses it, they've all lost it. Underagers and drunks in venues would be a thing of the past overnight. That's better imo than simply making it more expensive because underagers will just buy drugs instead or go for the harder licquors straight away for max effect - so out with the cider and in with the vodka. It will be business as usual for the overagers most of whom are getting pissed at times when the booze isn't on offer anyway so won't notice any difference anyway. And it's a roar that Buckfast won't be affected! That stuff is the scourge of many an area - so much so in fact that I remember an councillor, from Airdrie I think, pleading with buckfast abbey to stop making it because it had become such a problem. Yet, it won't be affected by these grand plans to tackle alcohol abuse? Couldnae make it up! 
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| AllanP |
Merak for my money makes the best points of us all.
It is almost impossible to stop our youngsters trying out some forms of alchohol as a ways and means of enjoyment and therefore elliminating their inhibitions in the furtherance of overcoming their plebescent ultra shyness tendencies. For gawds sake! Have we all forgotten how much of that was so enjoyable in our early youthful days? This yobbo culture let's face it, is really a very small minority, and most young folk do no harm, but they are all tainted by those who do so. I cannot see that we will be subjected to a minimum alchohol price tarrif, but the SNP will soon drive us down over the border to buy cheaper booze. There are many more other fundamental issues facing all of us than this in these day's of depression. Very soon we will be scared to venture outdoors. |
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| Guest |
It is only Scotland..a wee booze cruize to Carlisle, Newcastle or whatever will solve the problem! 
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| BoB |
By the time I put in fuel from here it would cost me more 
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| Lord Blackadder |
BoB =
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| BoB |
Donations please! 
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| Lord Blackadder |
My Response ... 
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| Mad Welshie |
I do not donate unless its to my own pension  
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| Lord Blackadder |
Which you start collecting next month?????
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| Merak |
Something tells me that you wouldn't need to anyway because white van man will cotton on quick enough and there'll be an abundance of booze cheaper than in the shops going around.   Wouldn't surprise me if white van man from north of Scotland, and White van man from North of England set up a delivery system between them! Dial-a-drink!
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| Mad Welshie |
I already have a pension packet  
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| Lord Blackadder |
How big a pension packet??? 
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| Mad Welshie |
Good enough to be a millionaire
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| Lord Blackadder |
I see. You're a banker!!! Thought as much!!!
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| AllanP |
Sorry! I thought that was Scottish rhyming slang!! |
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| Lady of Kincavel |
There was never a problem with under age drinkers when alcohol could only be purchased from a licensed grocer or a pub off sales.
Maybe the root of the problem lies with the easy accessability of alcohol now. Supermarkets and shops sell the stuff at cut back prices and that's the root of the problem in my opinion. Kids don't buy drinks like Malt whisky, they buy the cheapest drinks available and there are plenty of these. Raising prices and age limits will have absolutely no effect, but making it difficult to buy will have a big effect on kids who drink. IMHO anyway. |
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| Lord Blackadder |
I had a conversation with my 22 year old nephew (who likes a drink or four) last Thursday about this and he agrees that alcohol should only be sold through pubs and off licences. Supermarkets and chippies and papershops and corner-shops ahould not be licensed to sell drink, because they do sell it as loss-leaders to get you into their stores!
He was just as hard about tobacco. He thinks only tobacco shops should sell tobacco and tobacco-related items. But even though he hates smoking ... he thinks there should be designated smokers-only pubs! People have a right to choose for themselves if they want to drink and smoke ... but it should only be in these designated outlets or at home! Lotta sense for a young man!!! |
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| Lady of Kincavel |
I know removing alcohol from supermarkets etc. and restricting the places where alcohol can be purchased will mean adults having to pay a bit more, but if it saves one child from a lifetime of alchol abuse and failing heath, surely it would be worth it. Is a dearer can or bottle worth more than that????? | ||||||
| BoB |
Good idea, you got a white van
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| BoB |
Trouble is money appears to be no object to them. Taking them to task would have been a far better way of dealing with it. More bobbies on the beat. I remember when they came away with all day opening of pubs and the uproar of "There will be drunks everywhere" but it had the opposite effect. There were fewer drunks around as no one was rushing the drinking before closing and they trickled home instead of all appearing at the same time. |
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| AllanP |
Oh Yawn! Are you from this planet, or are you from social services? There are many well meaning adults who enjoy cut price alchohol who do not abuse minors and your renderings do not add up to any answer to this problem. Why not remove all forms of enjoyment, then we will all become zombies! |
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| rickyross3359 |
I agree that Supermarkets shouldn't be allowed to sell alcohol and that it should be restricted to pubs and proper licenced grocers. Come to think of it I think it was good to see proper tobaconists too. There are many proper tobaconist shops about anymore having being priced out of the market.
Also we do need to get back to having a smoking area in a pub - its bloody stupid to have to hang around in pub doorways <which is why I just don't go to the pub anymore>. |
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| AllanP |
We both agree on this viewpoint unreservedly, although it's a great pity that we probably never will return to smokers pubs and must therefore stay at home to smoke. Where will non-smokers go then when there are no longer any pubs or clubs to go to. |
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| Guest |
We should send a message to the Government...just the one word...COMPROMISE!
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| Merak |
So what? The vast majority of people buying it from those places aren't causing any problems.
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| Lord Blackadder |
And you know this because ................. ?? | ||||||
| Lady of Kincavel |
No AllanP,
I am certainly not from the social services and there is no need for rudeness. My opinions are equally as valuable as your own. I just think sales of alcohol should be restricted to Pubs, Off licences and Licensed grocers. It would be far more difficult for children to buy it from these sources. I know very well that adults who buy from corner shops or supermarkets do not cause problems, but the youngsters who buy from these sources are and do cause a BIG problem. |
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| eloise |
In the village shop here, the youths stand outside and get the adults to buy the alcohol and cigarettes for them, (I refused by the way ) I really don't think there is an easy answer to the problem, more Bobbies on the beat ?? ask one he will tell you he arrests then spends 2 to 3 hours completing paperwork ! | ||||||
| WACOlives |
Then they get a warning and go away laughing ! 
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| Lord Blackadder |
If they want drink ... they'll get drink ... then get drunk ... and there's no law will stop them!
This whole argument about raising the price is a red herring and just to put alcohol out of the reach of you peasants. It will NEVER work. It begins at home ... EDUCATE your monsters that with great drinking of alcohol comes great responsibility! Then in 3rd or 4th year, school should REINFORCE the message by starting lessons in how to cope in society. Our children NEED to learn about behaviour and self-control ... and we ALL need to have a hand in that!!!! |
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| Lady of Kincavel |
Yes, and I know exactly where I would like to place that hand in many cases. | ||||||
| Sidsnotwasere |
tae the above reply.
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| Lord Blackadder |
I TOLD you all she was a bit iffy, that one!!!! :wicked: It's all coming out now, eh?
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| rickyross3359 |
Ever been to Royal Ascot and been confronted by a mob of Hurray Henry's full of champagne and causing havoc - I have! | ||||||
| Lady of Kincavel |
Well, it seem that bad behaviour is allowed if daddy is rich or titled. Then it's called High Jinks. (At Ascot or elsewhere)
However if you are the son/daughter of an ordinary honest working family it's called hooliganism. A friend of mine had an hotel and had the priviledge of hosting a university function. The guests stayed overnight, and next morning, after their departure, several valuable paintings were found to have departed with the guests. She immediately contacted the university and was told it was just a prank and the items would be returned. She called the police in anyway and good for her. |
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| AllanP |
Sid! No one, but no one, "strolls" into any hospital with an air of "I knew that this was going to happen." Alchohol has been around since man found out how to make fire, and nowadays the do goodies would blame all man's follies through an excessive amount of drink. Why must the moderate drinkers be punished for the excessive antics of the minority? Your view why this should be so, would be interesting. |
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| AllanP |
So what is your remedy to that BIG problem? Stop all of us enjoying a drink or two or three? |
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| Sidsnotwasere |
I'll tell you the reason,me,that's the reason,yep,loopy old me. About 15 years ago,myself,my wife,her best pal and her hubby all left a social club at around 12 bells. Her best mate Margaret asked us if we wanted to come down to their house for a few drinks. I had around 7 pints of cider and 5 Baileys,was sick as a pig right outside Mags' house,got inside,had 2 whiskies,sick in her bathroom.another 2 ciders,left her house at 2.30,the second i got out,i was sick again. We managed to get a taxi home,3 days later i finally recuperated,i vowed there and then that i would never embarrass anyone including myself,ever again. When i go out,i hardly take more than 2 pints of cider,that is my maximum,nothing more,even at weddings,social occasions etc etc,and i will not make a clown of myself again. I know that there are many,like yourself,that can control their drinking habit.s,unfortunately,that is now becoming the minority. I have seen guys leaving clubs in no fit state to drive their car,how many lives have been ruined by idiots who think they can drink and drive,too many,end of.... |
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| eloise |
You know what Sid you have my deepest respect mate, it takes more of a man to REFUSE a drink than to accept one. |
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| AllanP |
I understand your viewpoint now...totally. |
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| Sidsnotwasere |
Thanks Eloise,but at the same time i can understand where Allan is coming from,it is unfair on folk like him and others who like nothing more than an nice wee drink without having to pay way over the odds.
It's all down to intake,we know what we can drink,but unfortunately for young folk,they don't. |
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| rickyross3359 |
Well when I was a bit younger it was probably the same for me, I sort of grew out of it I suppose. I know now what happens when I take too much, it totally changes my personality and although I never actually got violent I was in danger of making other people violent - I would become a pest or say the most outrageous things. Also next day I wouldn't remember half of what had happened and also left myself open to mates adding bits on that never actually did happen .
So I sort of know my limits and happy to stick to them. Maybe I am just getting old of course
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| eloise |
Or maybe like the rest of us you can see the damage it can do, it wrecks peoples lives, I have nothing against alcohol, but as with all things, in moderation. |
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| Sidsnotwasere |
I know exactly what ye mean Ricky. I recall a time when my 4 mates and i were in Rotterdam for a pre-season tourny with the Hoops. We went into this house of ill repute (a brothel) and we were all fine,then didny realise our drinks had all been spiked.
About 30 minutes later,we were staggering around outside,and i said "That was a quickie,eh?" The ladies robbed us of watches,dosh,rings and so on. We went to see the cops and they just fell over,laughing at us all,never again. 
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| Lord Blackadder |
Can't believe this thread is still going on .... and not a drink in sight!!!
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| rickyross3359 |
Lord were u perchance in Amsterdam for a long weekend - you have been missed, or rather ur absence was noted. By the way you were a week too early for the fitba. | ||||||
| eloise |
My Husband is off on Friday (early) I'm off to the airport to wave him off.
Girlie weekend all booked wooooo hooooo!!!!
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| Lord Blackadder |
I was ill, Ricky. What's your excuse???
And I don't give a damn about football. Or rugby! I prefer Athletics!
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| Sidsnotwasere |
When the mouse is away,the cat will play.
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| Mad Welshie |
Is that cus of the bouncy boobs in motion
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| WACOlives |
Theres World Track cycling on just now----when the BEEB get round to it.
---------------------------------------------------------- Johnny is a joker...he's a clown |
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| Lord Blackadder |
I just like watching pretty girls doing athletic stuff ... who cares about the rest?
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