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AllanP
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 Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 10:57 pm Post subject: Wind farms etc. |
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In this current paranoia regarding reducing our so called "carbon footprint" and our never ending quest for greener energy, why is it that we should all accept that all we are being told is true and of use.
We appear to be the only nation in the world who thinks that we can do something positive to save the human race from oblivion, many other cultures do not.
Wind farms are an environmental eyesore and produce very little energy per capital investment that will help, even if we all decided to have wind turbines in our back yard.
I remember back in the 1960's that hydro electric schemes ( water powered turbines driven by highland water sources) was the new and cheap alternative to coal power stations. That didn't happen.
Now this latest scheme is to reduce carbon emissions by 80% by 2012.
If any other country is indeed listening to this demand then they are all laughing.
If electricity and gas prices are not reduced very soon then a lot of us will be reverting to coal and wood fires for heating.
So much for "Global warming" issues!
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maria143
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We have some here...I don't know where...though..?
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The amount of energy produced from one mill is so low,
that I really don't see how on earth, or why, anyone bothers with them.
We have a large one at work, halfway up a mountain.
So it gets a lot of wind to drive it.
But the amount of energy it produces, in 8 hours, would only boil a kettle.
Bit mad that? 
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Zaf
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| Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 10:56 am Post subject: |
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I am as 'green' as possible but the way the politicians and media keep on and on about it really irritates me.
I actually love to see the wind turbine things, I think they are beautiful, but I believe people living nearby can suffer from problems connected with vibrations that too low for the human ear to pick up but still affects health. I was also wondering if they could affect the airstreams around the world if there were enough of them? Hydro electricity also affects the environment, so will wave power I guess - is there any way of producing the power we need without damaging everything around us I wonder?
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niclaramartin
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When the ones near us were put up, there were complaints that people's dogs were acting strangely, and that those living nearby were having various problems. But the main problem I have is that ONE windmill may look nice, but the numbers we are putting up are just a blot on the land/seascape.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/deljenphotography/2043832028/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/clydehouse/1206488050/
Not exactly pretty to look at in those numbers are they? I wouldn't want to buy a house on the coast, and then have to look at those things on the horizon.
If they were producing abundant power, then I may have had to re-think my objection, but to be such an eyesore AND not be producing much power. |
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Zaf
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| Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 8:13 am Post subject: |
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to be honest even in quantity I think they are beautiful, although I think in some places they shouldnt be erected - the health and other problems are my main concern.
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AllanP
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| Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 10:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Zaf wrote: | | to be honest even in quantity I think they are beautiful, although I think in some places they shouldnt be erected - the health and other problems are my main concern. |
What about the damage to the environment, wildlife and moorland etc!
Beautiful?
Are row upon row of huge electricity pylons marching over countryside and hillside beautiful too?
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Zaf
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| Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 8:24 am Post subject: |
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| AllanP wrote: | | Zaf wrote: | | to be honest even in quantity I think they are beautiful, although I think in some places they shouldnt be erected - the health and other problems are my main concern. |
What about the damage to the environment, wildlife and moorland etc!
Beautiful?
Are row upon row of huge electricity pylons marching over countryside and hillside beautiful too? |
the damage to wildlife etc came in the scope of 'other problems'
no, I dont find pylons beautiful but I do find the wind turbines strangely so (I never said I was normal though  )
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Cailean
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| Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 2:52 pm Post subject: Re: Wind farms etc. |
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| AllanP wrote: | In this current paranoia regarding reducing our so called "carbon footprint" and our never ending quest for greener energy, why is it that we should all accept that all we are being told is true and of use.
We appear to be the only nation in the world who thinks that we can do something positive to save the human race from oblivion, many other cultures do not.
Wind farms are an environmental eyesore and produce very little energy per capital investment that will help, even if we all decided to have wind turbines in our back yard.
I remember back in the 1960's that hydro electric schemes ( water powered turbines driven by highland water sources) was the new and cheap alternative to coal power stations. That didn't happen.
Now this latest scheme is to reduce carbon emissions by 80% by 2012.
If any other country is indeed listening to this demand then they are all laughing.
If electricity and gas prices are not reduced very soon then a lot of us will be reverting to coal and wood fires for heating.
So much for "Global warming" issues! |
And it's not just the UK, alan. Or were you talking about Scotland? Any government which is worried aboutt he future is doing all it can to produce green energy. And - despite Xcotty's claim - even just one wind turbine can create a lot of energx - if it can't even boil a kettle then there's something wrong. The big problem here in Germany is that the previous government outlawed nuclear power stations (quite rightly IMO) but the present government is trying to get them reinstated. They're clean, they're not a blot on the landscape - but what the Hell do you do with the uranium for ten thousand years until it's no longer dangerous?
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| Quote: | | but what the Hell do you do with the uranium for ten thousand years |
Well what did they do with it when you were young, Cailean??  |
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AllanP
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| Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 9:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | but what the Hell do you do with the uranium for ten thousand years |
Cailean. The only answer to our current problem in this day and age of trying to find viable energy resources in a declining world shortage of oil and gas has to be, I'm sorry to have to point out; nuclear energy.
Like it or not, that is the only alternative we have at hand.
As to "green" energy let me tell you this, we have NO alternative other than nuclear energy as yet, and the sooner Scotland, the UK and indeed the World realises this the better.
I notice that apart from decrying nuclear that you do not have any other answer to this problem rather than saying you worry about the future over the next 10,000 years.
This is here today and now my friend, not in future millenia.
Wind energy is fine for any household or farm, but is not an answer to the overall problem we find ourselves in.
Now here is a really daft alternative for you.
How about harnessing the heat generated from the magma from a volcano to generate power?
You heard it here first folks.
Might this be a possible alternative to our future requirements?
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Zaf
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much as I hate the thought of nuclear energy I fear that Allan is right that we do need to go down that route and build more of them if we want to continue using as much power as we currently do.
I think the very worrying thing about nuclear to me is the countries that wont maintain them properly or behave responsibly with them (thinking of Chernobyl I guess)
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