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Xcotty
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 Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 11:40 pm Post subject: Smoking..Your Thought's? |
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Allan has been discussing smoking, on a different thread.
I thought I would start a new thread here.
There seems to be a lot of different angles, to this discussion.
Please feel free to add yours, on this thread, if you want folks. 
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didnt see the other thread 
I'm an ex smoker so probably one of the worst to comment! I guess I say do what you will as long as it harms no-one - the ban in public places (including restaurants) is probably a good idea but I'm undecided about it in pubs and clubs - part of me says 'ban it because the workers shouldnt be made to breathe in the smoke' and part of me says 'live and let live, have a smoking area and a non-smoking area in pubs'
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| Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 9:30 pm Post subject: Re: Smoking..Your Thought's? |
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| Xcotty-Toast wrote: | Allan has been discussing smoking, on a different thread.
I thought I would start a new thread here.
There seems to be a lot of different angles, to this discussion.
Please feel free to add yours, on this thread, if you want folks. |
Non-smokers these days are very quick to denigrate we smokers to the realms of the great unwashed or even worse.
These self same characters think nothing of dropping litter on our streets and letting their dogs crap anywhere without a thought to any and all others.
I know that not a few smokers do the same, however, we do live in an imperfect world alongside many imperfect people who are not interested about anyone other than themselves.
I for one cannot for the life of me understand why pubs, social clubs and indeed private members clubs cannot be allowed to provide someplace on their premises for smokers to gather together where they can shelter away from our changeable weather patterns and enjoy a blether and a fag without fear from prosecution.
Places where food is served I can understand though, as ciggy smoke can be offputting to most.
Increasing taxation on tobacco has had some effect on folk giving up smoking though and I applaud those who have managed to do so, but I suspect that no government statistics will show just how many smokers are buying their habit from the black market which is a far cheaper option than buying from the shops.
Many people are finding out the benefits of giving up the weed nowadays and perhaps smokers and smoking will eventually be a thing of the past and be consigned to future generations history books.
But why should I be ostracised from society for doing something I enjoy doing?
It is my choice after all.
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Alan, on Wednesday I am IN COURT for smoking in my taxi!
I have NEVER been caught, I have 'been observed'! I don't do it, but I was treated like shit by the 'Enforcement Officer'
I have to prove that I am a fit person to hold a taxi licence!
I always thought THEY had to prove my guilt! Not me prove my innocence!
However, for £9 odd a month, I have the best legal advice available...through the T&G union...and folk ask why a sel employed person is a member??  |
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the T&G legal advice and help is second to none imo woodysdad, I hope all goes well for you. Do they have actual proof or is it your word against this nerd officer?
Typical attitude of some arsehole that has a bit of power and it goes to their head, I had hassle from Hobby Bobbies a few weeks ago and was so pissed off with them and their attitude I phoned the (real) plod and complained about them.
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| Just allegations from the Smokin' Gestapo! Coupled with lies which they put in writing. eg "We observed him smoking and followed him into the car park".... yeah, it took them 1hour and 20 minutes to follow me for 200 yds! |
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| Zaf wrote: | didnt see the other thread
I'm an ex smoker so probably one of the worst to comment! I guess I say do what you will as long as it harms no-one - the ban in public places (including restaurants) is probably a good idea but I'm undecided about it in pubs and clubs - part of me says 'ban it because the workers shouldnt be made to breathe in the smoke' and part of me says 'live and let live, have a smoking area and a non-smoking area in pubs' |
Zaf, you may have missed it, although you did post on it.
Look up FTS forum index - Culture - Television - Big Brother? then scroll down through the posts.
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| woodysdad wrote: | | Just allegations from the Smokin' Gestapo! Coupled with lies which they put in writing. eg "We observed him smoking and followed him into the car park".... yeah, it took them 1hour and 20 minutes to follow me for 200 yds! |
If they dont have photographic evidence I dont see that they have a very strong case. I have a lot of faith in the T&G legal service so hopefully they will be as successful for you
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| AllanP wrote: | | Zaf wrote: | didnt see the other thread
I'm an ex smoker so probably one of the worst to comment! I guess I say do what you will as long as it harms no-one - the ban in public places (including restaurants) is probably a good idea but I'm undecided about it in pubs and clubs - part of me says 'ban it because the workers shouldnt be made to breathe in the smoke' and part of me says 'live and let live, have a smoking area and a non-smoking area in pubs' |
Zaf, you may have missed it, although you did post on it.
Look up FTS forum index - Culture - Television - Big Brother? then scroll down through the posts. |
senior moment Allan 
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| woodysdad wrote: | Alan, on Wednesday I am IN COURT for smoking in my taxi!
I have NEVER been caught, I have 'been observed'! I don't do it, but I was treated like shit by the 'Enforcement Officer'
I have to prove that I am a fit person to hold a taxi licence!
I always thought THEY had to prove my guilt! Not me prove my innocence!
However, for £9 odd a month, I have the best legal advice available...through the T&G union...and folk ask why a sel employed person is a member?? |
Those "pillars of society" should go back to their old job as "Dog Wardens"
who jumped out from behind tree's and fined people when their dogs crapped on the street or park.
I only inferred that because I haven't seen or heard about any dog wardens for a long time now as piles of poo are still available for anyone to tread on.
Do let us know how you get on against these POW'S -
( PIGS OUT WATCHING for SMOKERS!)
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I'll keep you posted (They have internet in jail, don't they? )
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| woodysdad wrote: | I'll keep you posted (They have internet in jail, don't they? )
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Sorry, I do not know, although they do have lots of stuff available for free that is not available to the honest law abiding citizen who smokes in secret behind blacked out windows at home.
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I was in my garden earlier, having a cigarette.
One of my neighbours walked past, and shouted.
"You still got that filthy habit then?"
This annoys me, and I was going to say something clever about nuns.
But I just smiled, and replied,
"Aye"
Off he went quite happy with himself.
I could have run up behind him, and booted his arse.
That would have taken the smug grin of his face.
He's an ex smoker.
But I kept my blood pressure down, and turned the other cheek.
I just bet he wears his wifes pant's, when she is out. 
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| Xcotty-Toast wrote: | I was in my garden earlier, having a cigarette.
One of my neighbours walked past, and shouted.
"You still got that filthy habit then?"
This annoys me, and I was going to say something clever about nuns.
But I just smiled, and replied,
"Aye"
Off he went quite happy with himself.
I could have run up behind him, and booted his arse.
That would have taken the smug grin of his face.
He's an ex smoker.
But I kept my blood pressure down, and turned the other cheek.
I just bet he wears his wifes pant's, when she is out. |
Did he not mention your smoking then?? |
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Case continued until September 24th, when the Gestapo have to produce their PROOF!!  |
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Smoke if you want but i have trouble with selfish bastards who expose me to it - Smokers always gather in the doorway of pubs and shops (despite it being illegal - you have to be a certain distance) and i am forced to walk through a cloud of fug to get to where i need to be.
Or the git who lit up on the patio of a restaurant i was in despite the sign saying no smoking when food is being served. 
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| antibarbie wrote: | Smoke if you want but i have trouble with selfish bastards who expose me to it - Smokers always gather in the doorway of pubs and shops (despite it being illegal - you have to be a certain distance) and i am forced to walk through a cloud of fug to get to where i need to be.
Or the git who lit up on the patio of a restaurant i was in despite the sign saying no smoking when food is being served. |
The manageress of the charity shop I work in only today came up with an observation that " If you go anywhere you are being observed by more than 10 CCTV camera's in every 20 minutes".
I therefore will have to stop wearing a thong only in my back garden when the sun is shining, which these days is not too often.
Back to your post though... I may well be the git? who smokes in doorways, but until you characters stop moaning I will continue to do so, as until we are lined up and shot I will continue to excercise my right to do so within the current law, so Ya Boo Sucks!!!
Try the side entrance or hold your breath! Better still, stay home!!!
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| AllanP wrote: | | antibarbie wrote: | Smoke if you want but i have trouble with selfish bastards who expose me to it - Smokers always gather in the doorway of pubs and shops (despite it being illegal - you have to be a certain distance) and i am forced to walk through a cloud of fug to get to where i need to be.
Or the git who lit up on the patio of a restaurant i was in despite the sign saying no smoking when food is being served. |
The manageress of the charity shop I work in only today came up with an observation that " If you go anywhere you are being observed by more than 10 CCTV camera's in every 20 minutes".
I therefore will have to stop wearing a thong only in my back garden when the sun is shining, which these days is not too often.
Back to your post though... I may well be the git? who smokes in doorways, but until you characters stop moaning I will continue to do so, as until we are lined up and shot I will continue to excercise my right to do so within the current law, so Ya Boo Sucks!!!
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But why the f*** should i? YOU are the one who chooses to smoke not me. I need to breath oxygen, it's not a matter of choice. Do you not consider that i may have emphysema or similar lung disorder (i don't but what if i did) Smokers light up with complete disregard for this possibility.
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| antibarbie wrote: | | AllanP wrote: | | antibarbie wrote: | Smoke if you want but i have trouble with selfish bastards who expose me to it - Smokers always gather in the doorway of pubs and shops (despite it being illegal - you have to be a certain distance) and i am forced to walk through a cloud of fug to get to where i need to be.
Or the git who lit up on the patio of a restaurant i was in despite the sign saying no smoking when food is being served. |
The manageress of the charity shop I work in only today came up with an observation that " If you go anywhere you are being observed by more than 10 CCTV camera's in every 20 minutes".
I therefore will have to stop wearing a thong only in my back garden when the sun is shining, which these days is not too often.
Back to your post though... I may well be the git? who smokes in doorways, but until you characters stop moaning I will continue to do so, as until we are lined up and shot I will continue to excercise my right to do so within the current law, so Ya Boo Sucks!!!
Try the side entrance or hold your breath! Better still, stay home!!! |
But why the f*** should i? YOU are the one who chooses to smoke not me. I need to breath oxygen, it's not a matter of choice. Do you not consider that i may have emphysema or similar lung disorder (i don't but what if i did) Smokers light up with complete disregard for this possibility. |
As you so succinctly put it in your own crass words of condemnation above I would add;
"How on earth are we supposed to know of yours, or indeed any others particular health problems?"
Does anybody who is suffering from a breathing disorder wear a big plaque around their necks saying; "Don't dare breathe in my face unless I choke and die?"
If you are somehow averse to not living within our law abiding smoking society, then perhaps you should start living the life of a hermit on some remote mountain top rather than trying to blame we smokers at entrance doors for the cause of your health problems.
STOP TRYING TO BLAME WE SMOKERS FOR LIVING HOW WE DECIDE TO DO SO WITHIN THIS DISGRACEFUL VICTORIAN TYPE LAW IN THE NEW 21st CENTURY.
VICTORIA YOU WILL REMEMBER DENOUNCED ALL SWEAR WORDS AS A SIN. YOU SHOULD CONSIDER THAT OBSERVATION TOO.
Better still, give pubs a swerve, or maybe try staying home. CHEERS! 
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as with most things in life there should be consideration given by both sides of this subject/argument.
I'd say at the laws for non-smoking areas have gone far enough and possibly slightly ott.
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| Zaf wrote: | as with most things in life there should be consideration given by both sides of this subject/argument.
I'd say at the laws for non-smoking areas have gone far enough and possibly slightly ott. |
I do agree with your observations Zaf, although I do get on my high horse when some characters seem to blame smokers for the main cause of aggravation to their own particular health problems.
Don't misunderstand my reasoning though, I do sympathise with those individuals, but cannot understand their venom.
Surely if public venues want to maximise their customers and profits they have to cater for smokers and non-smokers alike, that to me in this day and age of smokers V non-smokers must surely be paramount to any and all business attitudes if profits are to be maintained or indeed increased
Far too often we smokers instead of being in a doorway to smoke and shelter in, should be at a very minimum provided with some sort of a covered area out of the rain where we can also be away from those who do not smoke, and enjoy a drag in some sort of comfort and shelter.
What a great pity it is that those people do not, or care not to, understand that enigma.
Once again I will say this to all non-smokers or reformed smokers.
Our Clubs, Pubs and indeed many of our past well attended social events are being erroded by the non smoking fraternity who want us to go away, but I'm very quick to add that without our sort of clientele they are fast becoming as extinct as the horseshoe.
"Thought that was better than saying the Dodo."
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I can understand your feelings Allan.
I do think a smoking ban in places like libraries, trains and buses etc and some other public places is justified but as for pubs and clubs I really cannot see why either the choice could be up to either the landlord or the brewery and if a way could be found to partition off areas properly to allow smokers and non-smokers to share the facilities then that would be an ideal solution. However there is still the question of protecting staff that dont smoke from having to serve in the smoking areas or establishments and I'm not sure how that problem would be tackled.
Personally I never did like eating in a restaurant or food area of a pub where there were smokers or smoke drifting over from the bar and that aspect is definitely improved with the smoking ban in my opinion but on the whole I feel that non-smokers simply could have the choice whether or not to go into 'smoking' pubs. Ive got to admit I also prefer not to have the smell of stale cigarette smoke on my husband's clothes when he gets back from the pub! (I'm an ex smoker but hopefully have a live and let live attitude!)
Slightly off on a tangent, in addition to the smoking ban I feel some of the more stupid H&S laws together with soaring insurance are limiting venues and traditional passtimes too.
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| Zaf wrote: | I can understand your feelings Allan.
I do think a smoking ban in places like libraries, trains and buses etc and some other public places is justified but as for pubs and clubs I really cannot see why either the choice could be up to either the landlord or the brewery and if a way could be found to partition off areas properly to allow smokers and non-smokers to share the facilities then that would be an ideal solution. However there is still the question of protecting staff that dont smoke from having to serve in the smoking areas or establishments and I'm not sure how that problem would be tackled.
Personally I never did like eating in a restaurant or food area of a pub where there were smokers or smoke drifting over from the bar and that aspect is definitely improved with the smoking ban in my opinion but on the whole I feel that non-smokers simply could have the choice whether or not to go into 'smoking' pubs. Ive got to admit I also prefer not to have the smell of stale cigarette smoke on my husband's clothes when he gets back from the pub! (I'm an ex smoker but hopefully have a live and let live attitude!)
Slightly off on a tangent, in addition to the smoking ban I feel some of the more stupid H&S laws together with soaring insurance are limiting venues and traditional passtimes too. |
Zaf, maybe we should get together and run as a new political party twosome, who not only represents the sensible and sane population but also listens to ALL of the viewpoints for and against and reaches a reasonable compromise which is acceptable to all.
Something that present, past and perhaps future governments, do not really comprehend that this is what they are elected for, and to do on all matters.
Any thoughts from anyone just what this new party could be called?
Cannot wait for poster recommendations.
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It's being done Alan..by the Government (in Scotland)
They're making outcasts of smokers, they say there are 9 more licenced premises this year than last so the no smoking policy isn't affecti9ng the licensed trade!
So why are pubs closing everywhere you look??
Remember, this law was pushed through by Jack McConnel..the man who devoted his first minister time in the SCOTTISH Parliament to promoting MALAWI! 
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| AllanP wrote: | | Zaf wrote: | I can understand your feelings Allan.
I do think a smoking ban in places like libraries, trains and buses etc and some other public places is justified but as for pubs and clubs I really cannot see why either the choice could be up to either the landlord or the brewery and if a way could be found to partition off areas properly to allow smokers and non-smokers to share the facilities then that would be an ideal solution. However there is still the question of protecting staff that dont smoke from having to serve in the smoking areas or establishments and I'm not sure how that problem would be tackled.
Personally I never did like eating in a restaurant or food area of a pub where there were smokers or smoke drifting over from the bar and that aspect is definitely improved with the smoking ban in my opinion but on the whole I feel that non-smokers simply could have the choice whether or not to go into 'smoking' pubs. Ive got to admit I also prefer not to have the smell of stale cigarette smoke on my husband's clothes when he gets back from the pub! (I'm an ex smoker but hopefully have a live and let live attitude!)
Slightly off on a tangent, in addition to the smoking ban I feel some of the more stupid H&S laws together with soaring insurance are limiting venues and traditional passtimes too. |
Zaf, maybe we should get together and run as a new political party twosome, who not only represents the sensible and sane population but also listens to ALL of the viewpoints for and against and reaches a reasonable compromise which is acceptable to all.
Something that present, past and perhaps future governments, do not really comprehend that this is what they are elected for, and to do on all matters.
Any thoughts from anyone just what this new party could be called?
Cannot wait for poster recommendations. |
I'd go for 'the common sense party' but guess some other posers will have more interesting ideas
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| Couldn't some kind of blower be designed and implemented to simply draw fag smoke upward and out, so that it didn't go anyplace else? And have either a pub with a smoking permitted section plus a non-smoking section, or alternatively, have some pubs be specially licensed smoking all areas, and others, non-smoking all areas? |
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| AllanP wrote: | | antibarbie wrote: | Smoke if you want but i have trouble with selfish bastards who expose me to it - Smokers always gather in the doorway of pubs and shops (despite it being illegal - you have to be a certain distance) and i am forced to walk through a cloud of fug to get to where i need to be.
Or the git who lit up on the patio of a restaurant i was in despite the sign saying no smoking when food is being served. |
The manageress of the charity shop I work in only today came up with an observation that " If you go anywhere you are being observed by more than 10 CCTV camera's in every 20 minutes".
I therefore will have to stop wearing a thong only in my back garden when the sun is shining, which these days is not too often.
Back to your post though... I may well be the git? who smokes in doorways, but until you characters stop moaning I will continue to do so, as until we are lined up and shot I will continue to excercise my right to do so within the current law, so Ya Boo Sucks!!!
Try the side entrance or hold your breath! Better still, stay home!!! |
"I therefore will have to stop wearing a thong only in my back garden when the sun is shining, which these days is not too often."
well.....I have to behave...so I better go....  before....I ask...for pics....  Ok I'm sick....I know it...But first let me say something for this topic...You could say I am a casual smoker...weekends only.....There something about smoking...
So Allan.... :glasses7: any tanning lately....?
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| maria143 wrote: | | AllanP wrote: | | antibarbie wrote: | Smoke if you want but i have trouble with selfish bastards who expose me to it - Smokers always gather in the doorway of pubs and shops (despite it being illegal - you have to be a certain distance) and i am forced to walk through a cloud of fug to get to where i need to be.
Or the git who lit up on the patio of a restaurant i was in despite the sign saying no smoking when food is being served. |
The manageress of the charity shop I work in only today came up with an observation that " If you go anywhere you are being observed by more than 10 CCTV camera's in every 20 minutes".
I therefore will have to stop wearing a thong only in my back garden when the sun is shining, which these days is not too often.
Back to your post though... I may well be the git? who smokes in doorways, but until you characters stop moaning I will continue to do so, as until we are lined up and shot I will continue to excercise my right to do so within the current law, so Ya Boo Sucks!!!
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"I therefore will have to stop wearing a thong only in my back garden when the sun is shining, which these days is not too often."
well.....I have to behave...so I better go.... before....I ask...for pics.... Ok I'm sick....I know it...But first let me say something for this topic...You could say I am a casual smoker...weekends only.....There something about smoking...
So Allan.... :glasses7: any tanning lately....? |
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Giving me a preview.....
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