Life after death?

AllanP · Joined: 17 Jan 2008 Posts: 488 Location: Central Scotland.

My youngest brother died with cancer on Friday 22nd August pm.
My Mother died when I was 11 in 1957 shortly after having given birth to him.
I, being an agnostic, cannot believe that there is an afterlife although it is a grand idea.
Why is it that I cannot believe in any sort of an afterlife after death but only believe in oblivion through death?
Please do not insult me with religious messages about living, and an afterlife beyond death.
I probably don't expect an answer to it all as there is no definate answer.
My brother's name was Peter and I will not forget him.

Sorry, I had to inform you of my grief.
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Xcotty · Admin Joined: 14 Jul 2008 Posts: 1377 Location: Highlands

Allan, we have no answers pal.
There is no way of knowing what happens, after we lose our loved ones.
I don't believe it's over completely.
I don't believe in any religion whatsoever.
The only reason, I say, I don't think this is it, is from an experience I had.

I was gone, and was taken back.
For the short time I was gone, I was somewhere else.
No tunnels, no bright lights, just somewhere else.
I could see the medical team working on me, then I was back.

I won't go into any detail, as it's a personal thing.

But as for proof, I have no way to prove this happened.
But it did.

I'm very sorry for your loss.
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Zaf · Joined: 16 Jan 2008 Posts: 278

I'm really so sorry to hear about your brother Allan and you really have no need to be sorry to want to express your grief, its a natural thing to feel after the loss of someone close.

I'm sure at times of death we question the possibility of an afterlife more than we would in day to day life but I really dont think any of us know the definite answer.
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Guest · Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 8:57 pm Post subject:

Sorry to hear that Alan! All sympathies to you and yours!

Regardless of religion, it seems impossible that we do not move on. I know the chemical make up of our bodies, the physiological arguments, but we have emotion, love, hate, laughter, sadness, etc, and I can't see that being 'snuffed out'. I am who I am, you are who you are, and there are massive differences. So the scientific answer cannot explain this!

BoB · Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 11:04 pm Post subject:

That is some question Allan.
Shame about your brother.

I will find out when my time comes!

I can tell you though that two people I know who almost died, or did die and came back said that they were somewhere else when they had died, all be it briefly.
No light or tunnels, they were just somewhere else.
They can't fully explain this, but to say they were somewhere else and not alone.
I don't disbelieve them as I can't prove anything one way or the other.

It is a hard thing to understand and I have no answers.

I have always thought that when you die you die and that's it.

But now I wonder, I don't believe all that religious mumbo jumbo either!

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Perisphere · Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 1:46 am Post subject:

maria143 · Joined: 17 Jan 2008 Posts: 476 Location: Florida

I am sorry for your loss Alan...I don't know about after life...but you loved your brother and your memories will keep him alive in you...
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Summer_08 · Joined: 01 Feb 2008 Posts: 274 Location: Scotland

Not going to offer you any religious rubbish Allan, I'm just really sorry for your loss xxx

I don't know what to believe when it comes to life after death - I want to believe in something, but just for my own piece of mind, so I don't fear death.
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Cailean · Joined: 18 Nov 2007 Posts: 38 Location: Germany

Sorry, Alan. I can only agree with Woody - there's so much energy in us. energy can't be destroyed. I don't know the answer and I'm not in a hurry to find out

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sissy · Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 1:40 am Post subject:

Sorry for your loss Alan.

Mad Welshie · Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 3:58 pm Post subject: Re: Life after death?

Lady of Kincavel · Joined: 22 Nov 2008 Posts: 187 Location: Alba

So sorry my friend. I well understand your pain. I don't know whether those who believe in life after death do so because it brings them comfort, all I believe is that we will all get the answer to the big question when our own time comes. Sorry I am unable to tell you what you I think really want to know.
All I know is that what we call the soul, is energy and that energy is hard to destroy.
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AllanP · Joined: 17 Jan 2008 Posts: 488 Location: Central Scotland.

Many thanks to all of you who sent their condolences, it is very much appreciated.
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Guest · Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 10:32 pm Post subject:

Alan I choked on a fish bone once...had the most warm and comfortable experience I have ever known...then my wife battered my back and brought me round. "You weren't breathing" she said. "I know, and it was beautiful!"

If that's passing on, then I'll go happy!

Lord Blackadder · Joined: 05 Dec 2008 Posts: 2953

I have died twice on the operating table and come back. I did not experience an out-of-the body experience. But my father said he did after his second heart attack.

I was born and raised Catholic, but have had NO religion as such since I was sixteen and learned to think for myself. I do not believe in religious claptrap.

But life after death?? And what is a soul?

I don't know ... but thousands of years ago some very wise people worked out that our bodies are driven by something we call energy today. And energy according to the Laws of Physics, cannot be annihilated. It can change ... but not be destroyed. That is a fact of our Reality. So what does the energy that powers the gross body turn into? Where does it go?

According to the likes of Madame Blavatsky and good old Aleister Crowley ... this energy ... or spirit ... or soul ... enters the Akashic Records, where all memories are pooled and fed into the Universal Mind ... or Creative Urge that we call God.

I still don't know ... but wiser minds than mine have not worked it out either.

And that, according to the Ancient philosophers of Greece, is the greatest joke the Gods ever played on Man.

Will I see my late parents ... or my youngest brother who died so tragically many years ago in my arms? I hope so. In some form that I recognise. And I do believe my energy will enter this reality again and take on a body ... but I won't remember this life ... and that's a good thing. Who'd want all that baggage with its foibles and idiosyncracies on the next leg of the journey?

Of course you have to ask, where did my energy come from in the first place? Was it always here? Will it always be here?

We'll never know those answers on this side of mortality ... and that's another good thing. Why suck out all the wonders of our glorious Universe? Some things should never be explained ... just wondered about and when my time does come ... accepted in the knowledge that there is an almost immortal part of me that is going somewhere! And that's quite an alluring thought ...
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Guest · Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 8:27 pm Post subject:

And that is a very moving and enlightening statement....

AllanP · Joined: 17 Jan 2008 Posts: 488 Location: Central Scotland.

Sidsnotwasere · Joined: 24 Jan 2008 Posts: 705

I've often wondered about this sort of thing.

I recall reading about a young 4 year old French lad,went on holiday to Egypt with his mum and dad,had never been to Egypt before,yet he was able to name streets even before turning into the next one.

His parents to him to a place where old street maps were located in that town they were in,

The locals were amazed by the lad,he then identified things that happened over 200 years before.

Me,i was in a place called Ballyjamesduff,N.I. when i was 8,was out one evening to the local cinema,went to make my way home,took the wrong turn,yet i knew every nook and cranny,wasnt in the least bit scared,and found my way back to where we were staying,on the outskirts of the village.

Baffling,you bet it was.

You may be interested in this place,other people's experiences.

http://www.nderf.org/
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Mad Welshie · Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 9:46 am Post subject:

I dont mean to be rude
but where do you think my OH is right now? Today is our 8th Wedding Anniversary.

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WACOlives · Joined: 17 Nov 2008 Posts: 900 Location: east sussex

I think he's in your mind with you mwl.That's why you remember and cherish the day....you're doing it together.
Might sound a bit daft but thats my thoughts. Don't go with the 'something after death ' theories.
Just look, as he would now, to Xmas for the bairns.
CHIN UP LASS.

irritateddata · Joined: 18 Jan 2009 Posts: 404

My younger sister (43 yrs) died two years ago, shortly after I found this bookmark in an old book:

What is Dying?

A ship sails and I stand watching
till she fades on the horizon
and someone at my side says,
'she is gone'.
Gone where?
Gone from my sight, that is all;
she is just as large as when
I saw her.
The diminished size and total loss of
sight is in me, not in her,
and just at that moment
when someone at my side says,
'She is gone',
there are others who
are watching her coming
and other voices take up
a glad shout,
'There she comes!'
and that is dying.

It made me feel better for her. Hope it helps alittle with you, I know it's a later post but I know grief takes time and comes in waves.

Xcotty · Admin Joined: 14 Jul 2008 Posts: 1377 Location: Highlands

I think that is a very inspiring verse Data.
Thank you for posting it, I've never read it before.

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